Cornwall asks for its own bank holiday on tin miners' saint day
Moves to create a bank holiday in Cornwall to celebrate St Piran have taken a step forward.
In the narrowest of majorities, councillors yesterday voted through recommendations to make March 5, the day when the patron saint of tin miners is celebrated, a public holiday.
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Members of Cornwall Council's corporate resources overview and scrutiny committee voted six in favour and six against.
It took a deciding vote from chairman John Keeling to swing the vote in favour of sending the recommendations to a full council meeting.
Councillors raised the prospect of the St Piran Bank Holiday after the Government's recent White Paper on changing public holidays.
Whitehall wants to move the May Day Bank Holiday and has invited alternatives for a new date and occasion to possibly replace it.
In a lively, good-humoured debate yesterday at County Hall, Truro, committee members gave a mixed reaction to Cornwall getting its own bank holiday.
Cllr Steve Double, said: "I am proud to be Cornish but I am struggling with this. I struggle to see how it will actually work if we have a different bank holiday to the rest of the country."
Mr Double, who used to work in a bank, said he could foresee difficulties if banks were closed on March 5 in Cornwall but not across the rest of the country.
Cllr Doris Ansari said she was in favour of a St Piran's Bank Holiday.
She said: "This is our opportunity in Cornwall to say this is what we prefer. A lot of people take St Piran's day off anyway. I don't see anything wrong with writing to the Government asking for a special day for us in Cornwall."
Some councillors argued the a St Piran's Bank Holiday would boost tourism because people would travel to the county to celebrate.
However others disagreed saying the rest of the country would be working on March 5. Cllr Steve Eva, said: "I can't support this. We should have the same bank holidays as the rest of the country."
The Government's 12-week consultation on altering bank holidays will take place over the summer. A decision is expected early next year.








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by MTVessel
Saturday, July 30 2011, 12:30AM
“@ jenmorgan, "you need to check the Celtic League FB site that we all love".
Would love to dear, however following the edicts of the dictators of that site it has closed its face book wall, not so open as is claimed..What happened when they signed up for this was declaration?
"National minority status will confer upon
the Cornish the dignity of visibility. It will
acknowledge that Cornish language, culture
and heritage are the products of Cornish people
– a group with historic national origins no less
deserving of official recognition than the Welsh
or the Scottish.""
If the badge of visibility belongs to the Cornish it's certainly not a badge for the Kernow Celtic League Branch. Whats more we cannot allow it to count for an organisation that has decided to cloak itself in anonymity so that it can organise and pursue with harassment people who have the front to think and act out of the box to expose them for what they are, and for what they think of other peoples, not just the English but also the Cornish who also want to be defined as English, after all its their choice, they have on their web site been conducting an all out search for the person, or persons that dared to suggest that Cornish men and women look at what these people think of them and write about them on their FB wall. It's amusing that on every occasion that someone fires back at them, they tag them with an abusive name, I always thought that the Celts were bigger than that, who are these people?? We are Trolls, and all sorts of other things, not Cornish like them, not able to think like them, they see themselves as elitist as is witnessed on their Wall, however we cannot see that now, such a pity that, but he ho its their wall that has been put up by them to stew in. Always been suspicious of organise themselves like that, generally they degenerate into revolutionaries, and when campaigning gets them nowhere up pop the paramilitaries, dispute the signs are there????
The idea of another bank holiday for the whole of Britain is good, it's also an opportunity for minority groups to "piggy back" Nationalistic peripherals in with its inception. There's one of them thinks that you should have a welcome to England sign on the East of the Tamar bridge, an action that would upset the Celts of Devon no doubt, who Craig discounts as the county of Devon as less than 2% Celtic place names, how crazy is that. Why is the Celtic League not pushing for a Branch in Cumbria who have what percentage of Celtic place names, and all those other Counties in England , answers no doubt on a postage stamp. Can we not have the benefits of a Saints day for all Counties in England? Does Devon have a patron Saint??
One thing that does puzzle me is the labelling of that free day off work, and economically is such a day a viable thing, the impact the last Royal Wedding had was to affect the Economy, and the real point is why are Celts celebrating a Christian Saint??? It baffles me that one,? I know the Welsh are big on Methodism and the Scots, Irish and others are mainly Catholic, but why do the Celts in Cornwall seek a Saints day and deny the English St George, is that not an arrogance? All right St George is the Patron Saint of many countries and some sufferers of an obnoxious STD, shouldn`t the Celtic League being the Christians who are seeking a Saints Day not mock the afflicted, or demean their neighbours? Why direct such angst towards them, what have sufferers of STDs done to you?
No, I doubt the League is not big enough for that it will continue to hunt down usurpers who dare to engage them as here, insult instead of listen, generally they will continue to bully. Happy Hunting...............”
by savethemoors
Thursday, July 28 2011, 7:32PM
“"by JenMorgan,You need to check the Celtic League FB site you all love so much."
Never ever mentioned Celtic League FB!”
by JenMorgan
Thursday, July 28 2011, 6:05PM
“'savethemoors' ref Devonwall.
You need to check the Celtic League FB site you all love so much. There is to be a two day consultation in Truro regarding Devonwall on 10th and 11th November 2011 when a team from the Boundaries Commission are coming to Cornwall to meet up with Councillors, MPs and Cornish Patriots to examine the whole issue.....all over again. You see, the Cornish don't give up that easy ! Thankfully. Rest assured, we have been here for longer than England and we shall be here for a while yet.”
by savethemoors
Thursday, July 28 2011, 11:08AM
“by TheChough, signed by the leader of every political grouping in Cornwall Council. You do seem a bit out on a limb 'savethemoors'
Impressive I agree but the down fall for you is who is going to take it seriously? Cornwall is currently politically a county of South West England. And the many who call themselves English or are happy to keep it this way are too many, sadly we can joke as we do or flame each other but we'd be fools to think it will be changing in the text 10 years or so.
And can I point out the result of what happened with say Devonwall you know the ''keep Cornwall whole' thing? Who voted here in Cornwall with regards to the Cornish border? And what is going to happen, 'devonwall' is it?
You'll no doubt be wanting to be hostile and insulting, but having just called your bluff no need for to carry on. We are looking forward to St Piran's day for all in Cornwall or as we say here in Cornwall in the language of the English, "one and all"”
by Big_Ger
Thursday, July 28 2011, 9:09AM
“Under the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971, bank holidays are proclaimed each year by the legal device of a royal proclamation.
Royal proclamation is also used to move bank holidays that would otherwise fall on a weekend. In this way, public holidays are not 'lost' in years when they coincide with weekends. These deferred bank holiday days are termed a 'bank holiday in lieu' of the typical anniversary date. In the legislation they are known as 'substitute days'. The movement of the St Andrew's Day Scottish holiday to the nearest Monday when 30 November is a weekend day is statutory and does not require a proclamation.
The Government in 2008 stated; "we have no plans to change the current pattern of Bank Holidays, but we are nevertheless considering all these suggestions carefully". In response to a parliamentary question about St George's Day, Gordon Brown stated that it is "for public debate" whether it should become a holiday. After the election of the Coalition Government in May 2010, the Department of Culture Media and Sport launched a pre-Consultation in 2011 which included the suggestion of moving the May Day Bank Holiday to a date in October, to be a "UK Day" or to "Trafalgar Day" (21st October) or move the holiday to St David's day and St George's day
The Tourism Strategy, published in March 2011, included a commitment to consult about possibly moving the May Day Bank Holiday to a new date at some other point in the year. While the Tourism Strategy set out a number of suggestions there may be other possible dates and "occasions" which deserve active consideration.
This pre-consultation therefore invites suggestions and supporting evidence for alternatives for a new date and occasion to possibly replace the May Day Bank Holiday, as well as allowing respondents to set out the issues that need to be included and considered within the main consultation. This pre-consultation will allow us to make the main consultation a comprehensive study of all the issues that are affected by the date and occasion of a bank holiday. It will also allow it to be more focussed, with a limited number of options including an option to retain the current early May bank holiday.”
by TheChough
Wednesday, July 27 2011, 11:34PM
“Lets see what every elected Councillor agrees with in last week's document sent to Westminster. Ah yes, here it is. Oh, you seem to be out on a limb rather 'savethemoors'
LONG TERM ASSOCIATION WITH A
SPECIFIC TERRITORY
• Th e Cornish call their territory Kernow a
term believed to have been in use for at least
2000 years. Th e name Cornwall, like Wales, is
derived from the Saxon word wealh meaning
foreigner (the Corn element possibly meaning
peninsula, thus peninsula of foreigners). In early
English references, Cornwall is sometimes
described as West Wales.
• Th e territorial boundary as it stands today was
fi rst recorded in 936AD when King Hywel
of Cornwall and King Athelstan of Wessex
agreed the east bank of the Tamar as the border
between the two territories. Th e Normans
maintained the territorial integrity of Cornwall
in 1068 with the creation of an Earldom, and
the territory was bestowed with a unique and
distinctive constitutional position in 1337,
through the creation of the Royal Duchy, with
a Stannary Parliament and Courts. Beyond
the sixteenth century laws were still applied in
'Anglia et Cornubia'.
• At least thirty diff erent languages across the
world have their own word for Cornwall - a
practice only reserved for historic nations
(English counties only have transliterations of
their names).
Kernewek (Cornish) – Kernow
Ø©ÙØ¨Ø±Ø¹Ùا (Arabic) – ÙØ§ÙÙØ±ÙÙ
Asturianu (Asturian) – Cornualles
Brezhoneg (Breton)–- Kernev-Veur
Català (Catalan) – Cornualla
Castellano (Castilian) – Cornualles
Cymraeg (Welsh) – Cernyw
Euskara (Basque) – Kornualles
Français (French) – Cornouailles
Gàidhlig (Scots Gaelic) – A' Chorn
Italiano (Italian) – Cornovaglia
LatÄ«na (Latin) – Cornubia
Occitan (Occitan) – Cornoalha
Polski (Polish) – Kornwalia
Português (Portuguese) – Cornualha
'WHAT ABOUT ENGLISH COUNTIES?'
In the past, concerns have been raised by the UK
Government that inclusion of the Cornish under
the Framework Convention might encourage
people in English counties to seek inclusion.
However, the Cornish can demonstrate national
origins which diff er entirely from English county
identities.
• Cornwall has historic national origins
coterminous with a distinct territory for over
1,000 years.
• Unlike Cornwall, no English county has been
shown on maps or recorded by historians as
being one of the four constituent nations of
Britain.13
• Unlike Cornwall, no English county has its
own name in over 30 diff erent languages of
the world.
• Unlike Cornwall, no English county boasts
a distinct language recognised by the United
Nations, the Council of Europe and the UK
Government.
• Unlike Cornwall, no English county can boast
80% of its place-names in a distinct Celtic
language.
• Unlike Cornish, English county identities are
not recognised as 'national' or 'ethnic' for the
purposes of the 2011 Census.
• Most importantly, unlike the Cornish, people
living in English counties have not campaigned
to be recognised as a national minority under
the Framework Convention.
Alec Robertson
Leader
Conservatives
Leader of
Cornwall Council
Doris Ansari
Leader
Liberal Democrats
John Wood
Leader
Independents
Dick Cole
Leader
Mebyon Kernow
Jude Robinson
Member
Labour
Dear oh dear, mmmm, signed by the leader of every political grouping in Cornwall Council. You do seem a bit out on a limb 'savethemoors'.”
by savethemoors
Wednesday, July 27 2011, 7:58PM
“""TheChoug, Yes to a St Piran's Holiday and glad our MPs are on board with that proposal !"
We are all of course looking forward to celebrate our St Piran's day be it a bank holiday or not it belongs to all the people who live here in Cornwall, England.”
by TheChough
Wednesday, July 27 2011, 6:35PM
“This statement has been signed by representatives of every political party and the independent body within Cornwall Council. EVERY party, all the independents. I am proud to think that our WHOLE Council agree with this:
"National minority status will confer upon
the Cornish the dignity of visibility. It will
acknowledge that Cornish language, culture
and heritage are the products of Cornish people
– a group with historic national origins no less
deserving of official recognition than the Welsh
or the Scottish."”
by Myghal
Wednesday, July 27 2011, 4:14PM
“How was the Lodge last night Ger ? Still collecting your pennies to fight the dreaded Cornish ?”
by RachelBosanko
Wednesday, July 27 2011, 2:29PM
“Wow, 8,000 verified signatures on an official Cornwall Council petition, the support of every one of Cornwall's MP's, all calling for a St Piran Holiday in Cornwall.
A growing number of parish and town councils in Cornwall (eight at last count) and Cornwall's only city council have previously agreed to make the 5th March a public holiday.
Many thousands now again celebrate Perrantide, and particularly so on 5th March, the feast day of the Cornish Celtic saint – not only in many areas of Cornwall but around the world.
Every school in the Camborne & Redruth area to celebrate it next year.
That is some going !”