“NO...I mustn't.”

“325 years to late!
I knew we enjoyed a slower pace of life down 'ere, but surely not that slow?! Is it that time of the year when we put the clocks back - 325 years? And, as a reminder, all those years ago it wasn't "St. Piran for Cornwall", or his black and white flag being carried by the 200 (or was it 150). It was the Standard of St. Michael and the old Union Flag! (Dear old flag was only 82 years old then, as it was first flown in 1606).”

“i think i can safely predict the people of Cornwall will be washing thier hair on the day of that particular event.... whenever it might be lol.”

“Yes H_Trevorrow that is true.

No doubt many will be getting excited
banging hard on their kitchen table
But with all the will in the world
none will be ready willing and able
Shame really they only get what is coming
and what they richly deserve
Without the grit to stand up and be counted
complimented with that little bit of nerve.
yc”

“REDRUTH St. PIRAN CELEBRATION
Trelawny
A good sword and a trusty hand,
A merry heart and true!
King James's men shall understand
What Cornish lads can do.
And have they fixed the where and when?
And shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!
And shall Trelawney live?
Or shall Trelawney die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!
Out spake their Captain brave and bold:
A merry wight was he:
"If London Tower were Michael's hold,
We'll set Trelawney free!
We'll cross the Tamar, land to land,
The Severn is no stay:
With 'one and all', and hand in hand,
And who shall bid us nay?"
And shall Trelawney live?
Or shall Trelawney die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!
"And when we come to London Wall,
A pleasant sight to view,
Come forth! Come forth ye cowards all,
Here's men as good as you!
Trelawney he's in keep and hold:
Trelawney he may die:
But twenty thousand Cornish bold
Will know the reason why!"
And shall Trelawney live?
Or shall Trelawney die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!


Lyrics by Robert Stephen Hawker (1804–1875)”

“That's the the Song of the Western Men, a stirring, flag-waving song written by RS Hawker around 1825; it's usually known as Trelawny. The song says that the Cornishmen will march to London and free Trelawny.

Who was he? Jonathan Trelawny (1650-1721), born in Cornwall, and an Anglican bishop.

Did Cornishmen save him? No.

With six other Anglican bishops he was imprisoned in the Tower of London by king James II, a Catholic, in 1688. They were put on trial for seditious libel, basically for opposing the king's romanising policy.

The people of Cornwall did not march to rescue Trelawny; they did nothing to help him. He and the others were saved by a London jury who acquitted them.”

“True. What about this one Gerry?

Bro goth agan tasow, dha flehes a'th kar,
Gwlas ker an howlsedhes, pan vro yw dha bar?
War oll an norvys 'th on ni skollys a-les,
Mes agan kerensa yw dhis.

Chorus
Kernow! Kernow, y keryn Kernow; An mor hedre vo yn fos dhis a-dro 'Th on onan hag oll rag Kernow!
Gwlaskor Mytern Arthur, an Sens kens, ha'n Gral
Moy kerys genen nyns yw tiredh aral,
Ynnos jy pub karn, nans, menydh ha chi
A gows yn Kernowek dhyn ni.

Chorus

Yn tewlder an bal ha war donnow an mor,
Pan esen ow kwandra dre diryow tramor
Yn pub le pynag, hag yn keniver bro
Y treylyn kolonnow dhiso.”

“It's a nice variation on the Welsh national anthem. Written by John Bolitho, I believe.

John Bolitho (1930–2005) (Cornish Jowan Bolitho) was born in Bude in Cornwall, and spent his working life in the Royal Navy, the theatre and television (including performances in the Black and White Minstrel Show, the Royal Variety Performance and the Billy Cotton Band Show).

Cornish:

Old land of our fathers, your children love you!
Dear land of the west, what country is your equal?
Across the whole world, we are spread far and wide,
But our love is for you.

Cornwall! Cornwall, we love Cornwall!
As long as the sea may be
As a wall around you,
We are one and all for Cornwall!



Welsh:

The land of my fathers is dear unto me,
Old land where the minstrels are honoured and free:
Its warring defenders, so gallant and brave,
For freedom their life's blood they gave.

Land!, Land!, True I am to my land!
While seas secure,
this land so pure,
o may our old language endure”

“Did you know John? A very great man indeed.

No, the words are different from those of Wales but it is sung to the same tune as is the Breton version.

Bro Goth is sung annually with must gusto at the Gorsedh. John was a great Cornishman, Bard and MK Councillor and a true friend to many of us involved with GK.”

“by Carvath
"NO...I mustn't."

When shove comes to push
and the men are sorted from the boys
We are back where we started
with those who make the most noise
"No…I mustn't" is an honest reply
if you haven't got the bottle
you never will no matter how hard you try.
yc”

“As +Trelawny has been mentioned, along with 'The song of the Western Men' perhaps it should be noted the Great Cornishman, like many other Cornishmen before and after him, was known to be a staunch Royalist and supporter of the English establishment.
He was schooled in central London at Westminster School and went up to Oxford. On his Father's death he became 3rd Baronet. (About as English as one may become).

Although he was a Parish Priest in Cornwall for a short time he quickly climbed the Anglican Church 'greasy pole' and was appointed Bishop of Bristol, and later translated to the See's of Exeter, and Winchester; and, in those days one needed the unequivocal support of the Crown and the English establishment to reach such lofty heights.

Following his imprisonment for accusations of sedition, there was no Trelawny's Army to influence his release; it was simply a myth created many, many,years later by the publication of, "The song of the Western men".
On his release from prison it is recorded he, "Thanked the English people for his salvation" - there was jno mention of Cornwall.
Documents written by Trelawny are recorded to have been written in English and/or Latin, and there is no known such document written in Cornish. This is probably not surprising as he lived for most of his life outside the County of Cornwall.”

“"Bro Goth" wasn't written by John Bolitho. It was written by Henry Jenner, tas an dasserghyans, father of the revival. He presented the first version to the Celtic Conference in Caernarfon in 1904, but it was 'improved' over a number of years, by Jenner himself but probably with the help of Robert Morton Nance.”

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From the heart no doubt without any backing music to distract
If you love Kenow it will come through that is a fact
Those over the top they think they are giving their best
They only spoil it for others something the true Cornish detest.
yc”

“Just out of interest YC, where does the original quote, the one which started this debate, come from?”

“Not any "quote" BG just one of my own original poems, good isn't it, I hope you liked it”

“Or did you just mean this bit BG?

"ARE YOU UP FOR IT ?" sorry, no idea if it is a quote or not.”