“"A litle bit of Devon's Celtic/Brythonic connection" = "A bard is a poet, songwriter or wordsmith in the Celtic Tradition"


"Based on records dating back at least 200 years, Exeter is one of around 30 ancient locations that have the right to elect their own Bard or Bardic Chair each year."

"
The Exeter bardic chair was first re-established in 2003 by public declaration at Rougemont Castle mound which was given as the chair's ancient location."

The evidence is overwhelming, in the early 1800's Exeter wanted a town poet, and they decided to call him, they wouldn't have chosen a mere woman back then, a...................wait for it................................... Bard.

Well, that proves it.

No idea what, but it's clearly proved.

What is it that the kids use when texting?

Oh yes.............ROTFPMSL or something like that.”

“From my studies, I understand that Exeter was once a 'Cornish' city until the Cornish were branded 'that filthy race' by Athelstan and ethnically cleansed. (Perhaps an early example of anti Cornish bias which has continued to this day).
This report is interesting in many ways. It gives Exeter a Brythonic name rather than an English one. It has also been instructive to see Devon start to reject Englishness and search for its own Celtic identity. The creation of its own flag now seen across Devon and the emergence of people seeking to identify with something other than England. This can only be for the better and a rejection of blandness so common further up country. I was also interested to read that white Britons are now a minority in London (45%) another fascinating dynamic.”

“by TheTruronianFriday, February 22 2013, 8:13AM
It gives Exeter a Brythonic name rather than an English one. It has also been instructive to see Devon start to reject Englishness and search for its own Celtic identity. The creation of its own flag now seen across Devon and the emergence of people seeking to identify with something other than England. This can only be for the better and a rejection of blandness so common further up country. I was also interested to read that white Britons are now a minority in London (45%) another fascinating dynamic."

TheTruronian, above is a "cut and paste" of you last post. Why are you so interested in white people, rejecting England and Englishness, numbers of them in London and nationhood?

By the way what is in your judgement "Englishness" and "England"

You come across as a racist!”

“by TheTruronian, Friday, February 22 2013, 8:13AM: This report is interesting in many ways. It gives Exeter a Brythonic name rather than an English one.



W.G. Hoskins writing in his 1960 'Two Thousand Years in Exeter' states that "The ancient British name for Exeter seems to have been Caerwysc". He adds that at the time of the Roman siege in the year 49 it is said to have been called Caer-pen-huel-goit.

Susan Pearce published a book 'The Kingdom of Dumnonia' which may tell us more, but I don't have a copy to hand.”

“Professor Bodmer in researching genetics looked into the incidence of the R151C and R160W variants of the MC1R gene, which is responsible for the occurrence of red hair. It occurs across the border in Devon in 23% of people, while in Cornwall only 16%, other places such as Wales 21%, Orkney 26%, Sussex and Kent: 13%!

So our neighbours may have a good case for claiming Celtic blood.”

“by Big_Ger Friday, February 22 2013, 11:31AM :
So our neighbours may have a good case for claiming Celtic blood."


Yes indeed Big_Ger, Exeter certainly originated as a Celtic/Brythonic settlement - no historian would doubt that. It was in the old Kingodom of Domnonia which at one time stretched from Cadbury Castle in Somerset to Lands End (Not sure if it included Scilly).”

“Devon was, of course, part of Dumnonia but was subsumed into Wessex with the Saxon advance West quite early on. Most of anything Celtic in Devon has been obliterated such that the place names of Devon are predominantly Saxon. Cornwall was not subsumed into Wessex of the Saxon Heptarchy and retained much of its Celtic heritage in terms of its place names (85%) and language, hence being termed by many as a Celtic nation. Much like Herefordshire, Shropshire and Cumbria, Devon has not retained enough of its past for any revival, though Cumbria is closest.”

“Dyhanow,are the people of Devon looking for an alliance or union with Cornwall? In my experience it's no..In fact i would say Devon as a whole is hostile to Cornwall's struggle for national identity.”

“'Everywhere'

No, I don't think the people of Devon are looking for an alliance with Cornwall anymore than vice versa. The Bardic Chair of Caer Wyse and the Gorseth, respectively belonging to Devon and Cornwal, demonstrate over two hundred years of ongoing interest in local Celtic history. So, whilst maintaining their difference, the events actually complement one another and reflect upon the Dumnonian past of the two counties.

Long may they both continue.”

“Here's an interesting page..

http://tinyurl.com/b34gbn3

"Devon was the cornerstone of one of Britain's most significant Celtic Kingdoms (Dumnonia), and retains a significant heritage from those days. Devon's people are predominantly of Celtic stock, with the Celtic language (which also resulted in Cornish) being spoken well into the dark ages, and is retained today in place names, dialect, as well as in customs and culture.

Devon's Cornish Celtic name is Dewnans although another Celtic name for it is Dyfneint (meaning 'deep valley dwellers') and it is this that gives Devon its name.

Devon was one of the last areas of what is now known as England to be conqured by the Anglo-Saxon invaders, and was not formally claimed by the Saxon Kindom of Wessex until the early ninth century, 805 AD - only a couple of decades before Cornwall was 'conquered."”

“Hi Dyhanow,But where is this Devonian Celtic history? where is the continuity from Dumnonia through to modern Devon...When did Cornish die out in Devon?? Dewnansk, I think you like to call its modern cobbled together invention??...Learn Cornish if must,it has after all come from earlier Dumnonia!...In principle i would not be against a union with Devon.But i think Devonians are to far removed from their Celtic past for any Dumnonian revival.”

“Everywhere

You raise many questions! I don't know the answers to all of these, but the above link by Big_Ger; plus the link in my opening post regarding the Bardic Chair of Caer Wyse; plus the Devon flag introduced a few years ago, all indicate some kind of stirring amidst the Coombes and Tors. Is there an organised revival? Well, you tell me. There is cetainly an ancient Brythonic/Celtic past.

When we are researching Cornwall's history, we should not overlook the greater picture: Dumnonia is certainly a part of that picture. Surely any revival which complements that of Kernow, however large or small, is to be welcomed.”

“Dumnonia is the Latinised name for the Brythonic kingdom in sub-Roman Britain between the late 4th and late 8th centuries, located in the farther parts of the south-west peninsula of Great Britain. It was centred in the area later known as Devon, but included Cornwall and parts of Somerset and Dorset.

http://tinyurl.com/bsm5pxc



It would seem that Dumnonia was the original Devonwall constituency!!

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTaHt5T50_tuL2x-99Z2AwsApjIPf4bBWd_-sOTksGrGOJWOKOH”

“Happy to see a new Dumnonia then Ger??..Poor little England, getting smaller by the day...”

“Yes that could be the case as my homeland also has claim this side of the border with England.There will be much to be settled post the 2014 referendum.”

“Cornwall is fully supportive of Scotland in its struggle to break free of English imperialism.”

“Everywhere who elected you to speak on behalf of Cornwall ?”

“Much obliged everywhere and although I now live with my Cornish wife in this, her homeland, I know which way my folks back home will be voting.

everywhere, may I say that all the comments I read on this site have been said in Scotland and about Scotland; I recall well the 'you are too small to manage' 'you don't really constitute a Nation' 'you are all rabid racists' arguements leveled at my kinfolk. Times are changing. In Scotland where we enjoy a Nationalist Government in the form of the SNP which has shown to have given real benefits to the peope of my homeland, we embraced cross party politics, to some extent. Therefore, we had Nationalists who were Liberals, Labour, in the Green Party and so on. I find that the same exists here in Cornwall to some extent. This is good.

Ignore the chides of the foolish here. By all means have fun with them, wind them up a bit, but you and your comrades concentrate on your eventual goal, a goal which I as a Scotsman and my wife as a Cornishwoman support although I remain an SNP member. Make yourself this promise, that for every time you post here, you write or email in favour of your cause. Keep complaining too. Eventually, the government in Westminster does back down and give way. And come the time, get out there leafletting, emailing and phoning too. Eventually, you will achieve your aim. But, keep having fun lad!!!!”

“More to the point absurdly named s-f, who elected you?”

“St¬Fetishist,does any of this apply to you...Worship of or belief in magical fetishes?...Excessive attachment or regard?...The displacement of sexual arousal or gratification to a fetish??”

“And from the Bardic Chair of Caer Wyse (Exeter) to Somerset, also formerly a part of the Kingdom of Dumnonia, where they have their own Bard of Glastonbury and an annual Gorsedh Ceremony.

http://tinyurl.com/c5ftddg

So, there's an interest right across the former territory of the ancient Kingdom. Long may it continue.”